Dear Web Design Community, Where Have You Gone?

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As Web craftsmen, we are living in exciting times today. The frenetic pace of evolution in our industry has created remarkable opportunities for our work. Our established set of design and coding practices is more comprehensive than it has ever been before. Our designs are becoming more usable, our code more scalable, our layouts more responsive. In fact, just by comparing our design processes to those from a decade ago, it’s remarkable to observe how quickly we’ve developed and honed our craft over all these years.

However, the maturity of our industry is far from being complete. While producing a myriad of technological advancements, we have outpaced other developments along the way. These developments aren’t related to the lack of cross-browser standards support or technical downsides of the tools we are using. No, they have a different nature. They have emerged within our design community — a community which is now so fertile and diverse that it is becoming increasingly difficult to ensure its professional maturity.

In fact, there are many issues that require a thorough, profound discussion within our industry, yet they are not properly discussed for one reason or the other. This article is based on my recent, often unrelated, observations of our community. It features my personal opinion on the problems we need to tackle and conversations we need to start to ensure its healthy evolution.

Where Did The Community Spirit Go?

I was very lucky to have experienced the development of the Web design community from its early days on. As a passionate newcomer to the industry, I was captivated by the sense of enthusiasm that seemed to be flourishing everywhere and spurring everyone. It was a strong and genuine feeling that was sparkled among dozens of sites and magazines and fueled by the motivation of experienced and non-experienced designers. The community was reasonably small and therefore very welcoming and supportive, so everybody was perfectly fine with asking lengthy questions and providing detailed answers.

I clearly remember in-depth discussions with hundreds of meaningful, engaged comments, in which designers would thoroughly analyze the techniques presented and suggest improvements or alternatives. I remember having experienced print and digital designers writing articles and teaching inexperienced designers the obscure details of and practical tips about the new craft. I remember vivid debates spreading from one site to another, connecting designers and building professional relationships in the community.

These discussions still take place today. There are many more designers and developers out there encouraging these discussions. The remarkable work of people like Paul Boag, Dan Mall, Jeffrey Zeldman, Francisco Inchauste, Chris Coyier, Simon Collison, Andy Clarke, Paul Irish, Chris Heilmann, Jeffrey Way, Trent Walton and many others is a vivid manifestation of the tremendous care and dedication of designers and developers to our industry. There are literally thousands of talented folks out there who are writing articles and releasing wonderful new tools and resources for all of us to use. That’s great. That’s great because all of these contributions bring our community much further.

However, every now and again I can’t help but realize that the number of active contributors with knowledge and experience hasn’t increased proportionally to the overall magnitude of our growing community. Way too often I find it extremely difficult to find meaningful debates spanning over the whole community — debates that would create a strong echo and prompt us all to revise, extend or adjust our practices and hence become better professionals.


The recent hashbang debate is an excellent example of community-wide discussions that our community could use.

Way too often do I come to the conclusion that this remarkable, inspiring enthusiasm we once had is now gone. What remained are stranded cliques of passionate designers who lead design discussions privately and separately, often unnoticed by the vast majority of the community.

The tragic irony is that although we are probably one of the most connected professional communities out there, it seems that we are increasingly not connecting. It’s not that we’ve become just a bit too comfortable with the processes we’ve developed over the years nor that we don’t care about improving our design and coding skills. In dialogue with our readers and colleagues at conferences or even online, I’ve become confident that this development has entirely different roots.

Finding Time to Contribute

Since there is so much going on the Web these days, it seems only reasonable that many of us might experience difficulties finding time to actively engage in professional discussions. Personally, I am just as guilty as the next guy, as I find it extremely difficult to read more than 5–7 design pieces a day — not to mention commenting on any of them. I’m trying to challenge myself to be more responsive and engaging. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but I have firmly committed to this change and maybe — just maybe — so could you.

I believe that the lack of time is one of the reasons for our changed behavior online. Our emails have become shorter, and so are our blog posts and comments. Our interest has become much more difficult to enrapture, and so we’ve become more passive and less critical. We way too easily consume and accept ideas, designs, concepts out there, sometimes without even questioning their validity and correctness. Instead of debating, we agree; instead of criticizing, we accept — or simply click away and ignore the discussion altogether. And this is the reason why many conversations in the community do not get a critical mass of interest.

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Web design discussions on Quora and StackExchange sites are wonderful examples of websites that we have already started using to exchange ideas, ask questions and conduct valuable design discussions.

The worrying part is that the number of the less experienced active contributors has increased exponentially. Due to that, I am afraid that the community is not led in the right direction. The true leaders — professional, knowledgeable designers and coders — are busy. Busy with their work or perhaps they feel that it’s no longer worthwhile for them to spend much time contributing. I hope this attitude can change. We need more professionals to find time to contribute and help to teach others. After all, so many of us are self-taught. And where would we be today without the contributions of others?

We need more meaningful and helpful discussions within our community. Finding time is difficult, but we don’t have to jump into writing or commenting with both feet. An occasional comment, tweet, reply or short blog post about whatever it is we’ve learned or thought would already help; it might just as well invoke thought-provoking discussions by other members of the community. As artisans of the Web, we love to discuss things that are important to us — be it design, coding, writing or anything else. We might have no time for profound writing, but we certainly have enough time to suggest an idea and encourage our friends to join in the discussions. Taking just a couple of minutes every day to think about the craft we love will bring us further and accumulate the wisdom within our community.

Francisco Inchauste summarized this point nicely in one of our recent conversations: “Everyone has a perspective and experience to share. Without more perspectives, we’ll become limited in our growth. The community is only as strong as our weakest people. To improve, we need to lift others up by helping to educate and guide.”

We Need to Curate Valuable, Meaningful Resources

Probably the easiest way to jump into design discussions would be by observing and replying to the tweets marked with the hashtag #design. Well, that’s what I thought before adding the #design column on my Tweetdeck a couple of weeks ago. After a couple of days of occasional scanning of tweets in that stream, I did find a couple of interesting discussions; however, more often than not I stumbled upon loud, inaccurate and promotional tweets which led to tutorials, freebies or inspirational websites.

Don’t get me wrong: I have nothing against these resources per se, but I don’t quite understand why we, multi-talented, versatile craftsmen of the Web, are restricting the use of such a powerful medium as Twitter primarily to these resources. Why don’t we use it for meaningful discussions as well? Have we somehow become blindfolded by pure eye-candy or tremendous technological opportunities we have now with jQuery, CSS3 and HTML5? We are experimenting with visual and interactive enhancements in our tutorials and our designs, yet we tend to forget about the fundamentals of our work — our design principles, the quality of our processes and the integrity of our creations. We could all benefit from writing and talking about the ways we work, the decisions we make and the solutions we come up with.

Just compare finding a jQuery slideshow plugin against finding a practical resource on UX design patterns. Or finding a social media icon set against finding detailed case-studies written by experienced designers. Valuable, useful resources are becoming rarities and unfortunately many of them just do not get the attention they well deserve.

We need to support and curate the creators of thought-provoking and valuable resources and help them maintain and support these resources. We need to support them because they are the ones that raise questions and seek for answers; they are the ones that support the maturity of our profession; they are the ones that are not afraid to question status quo and encourage experimentation, sharing and innovation — the so needed attributes of our exploding industry.

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HTML5 Boilerplate is a remarkable example of a cooperation of dozens of Web designers who share their thoughts and insights to create something useful for all of us to use. Unfortunately, many useful projects on Github do not manage to get such strong community-wide support.

We can use our communication channels wisely and invite our colleagues and friends to join in the discussions, sharing opinions and spreading the word about those of us who truly dedicate their time and effort to produce useful, valuable resources. I am certain that by doing so, we’ll be able to unleash the remarkable potential for a strong and supportive exchange of ideas and expertise.

The emerging conferences like Fronteers, Brooklyn Beta and New Adventures in Web Design show very well which benefits a strong community has: it is inspiring, helpful, forward-thinking, challenging. I will never forget the moment when I was sitting among the attendees during one of the conference’s talks and my neighbor turned to her colleague and whispered, almost mindlessly: “I feel that these talks are going to change my views of design forever”. I’d love to experience this feeling in our online discussions, too.

Community-Wide Discussions and Polls

There is so much content out there so that our focus is distributed among dozens of resources and discussions every day; it’s not easy to see how exactly we could lead large community-wide discussions. A blog’s audience is usually limited by its RSS-subscribers, random visitors and social reach of the blog owner. Spreading the word in social circles outside this audience might work to some extent, but it usually won’t help reach the vast majority of the community, especially if the blog is relatively small or obscure.

We need to have some sort of a mechanism that would connect like-minded designers and developers which are not already connected via other media. Twitter’s hashtags are a good example of ways how we are already trying to solidify exchange of ideas and thoughts. But we can make it better.

So what if we had a consistent standard in place? We could strengthen these exchanges through hashtags by developing and having the community adapt some common tags to use en mass. For instance, #design_type, #design_layout, #design_js and others. We could even conduct community-wide polls (#design_poll) that could be easily recognized and retweeted by users with smaller as well as larger followship, thus spreading the word and strengthening the active participation within the community. We could have a website tracking these hashtags, presenting the most popular discussions and filtering spam and other malicious activities.

The same mechanism could be used for supporting valuable design resources and their creators as well as passionate designers who write insightful articles or produce useful resources. When elaborated properly, this approach will make it easier for us to connect and participate in large, community-wide discussions. These discussions might even spread beyond the limits of our community, providing a different perspective on our conversations by professionals from other industries.

So What Exactly Should We Be Discussing?

As Web designers, we’ve come a long way. We’ve shaped a new, strong industry and developed professional design processes. We also have learned a lot on our journey — be it some bits of psychology, copywriting, marketing or other related disciplines. If you think about it, that’s already a massive achievement, and so we have a damn good reason to be proud of what we have contributed to all these years altogether.

However, like in any other industry, we need to permanently revise our practices, innovate and improve our design processes. In fact, there are a number of things that might need to be extended and reconsidered. Let’s cover the not-so-obvious ones.

Our Professional Vocabulary

As mentioned above, when it comes to Web design, there are always so many different disciplines and professions involved, that it is becoming increasingly difficult to make sure that everybody involved is on the same page in terms of vocabulary used in our discussions.

Misunderstandings between designers, developers and stakeholders are the running joke in our community. And there is a reason behind it: the vocabulary we are using has dramatically evolved over years — it was primarily expanded, sometimes with abbreviations and concept titles which are counter-intuitive or misleading. We have applied terms from print design to Web design; we have coined new terms for new concepts and methodologies; we have introduced terms that might have become outdated today (think of the outdated floppy disk symbol for the “Save” icon). The result is a quite sloppy and inconsistent vocabulary — we often have various terms describing one concept, or one term describing various concepts.

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Unsuck It explains terrible business jargon in plain words. Hopefully, we won’t need something like this for the design community as well.

For instance, there are design attributes that we call ‘responsive’, ‘adaptive’ or ‘flexible’, but what exactly do we mean when we apply them? Different designers might even have a different idea on what they mean with the word “design”; is it visual design, design as a concept or maybe UX design? And what is UX exactly anyway? The same problem occurs when we discuss terms such as “HTML5″, “page”, “fold”, “navigation” and others. Just imagine how devastating the results would be if any other professional industry, e.g. medicine, wouldn’t have a common vocabulary for its technical terms?

At the New Adventures in Web Design Conference last month, Dan Rubin talked about this very issue, saying that the industry as a whole needs a common grammar and vocabulary. He asserts that the ones we have now, were perhaps somewhat hastily chosen. And that with some careful thought and planning, we can design a much more accurate vocabulary to help avoid the confusion which can stem from the existing one.

We could use more precise and intuitive terms which would be based on certain concepts that are familiar to us and other professionals. As Dan noticed, “responsive design”, coined by Ethan Marcotte, is an excellent example of such a term. It derived from the concept of “responsive architecture” which explores how physical spaces can respond to the presence of people passing through them. So instead of creating unchanging spaces that define a particular experience, they create spaces in which inhabitants and structure can — and should — mutually influence each other.

Applied to Web design, it means that we could treat our designs (very much like these spaces) as facets of the same experience. The concept can be easily explained and understood. It’s not too technical, it’s not too abstract and it’s not chosen randomly. It is rational, visual and memorable which are all excellent qualities for a term describing a new design approach.

Perhaps we could create a standardized design language which would accumulate our vocabulary and provide us and our stakeholders with a consistent and unambiguous terminology for our discussions. Finding a common vocabulary is a challenging task and it’s an ongoing process that would need permanent revisions and updates.

Our Design and Coding Practices

Actually, we need to refine more than our design vocabulary: our design and coding practices require regular revisions as well. Faced with new design requirements in our regular work, we keep conquering design problems and exploring appropriate solutions for them. These activities are the driving force behind learning; they heavily influence the decisions we make once we approach similar design problems in the future. This is what makes us experienced professionals.

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Method and Craft is an excellent website where professional designers and developers are sharing tips about their workflow and design processes. This is a goldmine for newcomers to the industry.

We learn something new every single day. We discover a new CSS trick or a new UX tweak. An obscure Photoshop technique or a beautiful font pairing. Our convenient coding techniques are gradually dating as browsers become more capable and so we discover that certain browser hacks are no longer necessary. We find new ways of how certain common conventions could or should be adjusted. All these small things we discover in our daily routine help us improve our skills and workflow. Actively exchanging thoughts and methodologies with your colleagues will mutually benefit and improve the overall design and coding practices.

We shouldn’t be afraid of asking challenging questions or posing bold statements. If you feel that we should all stop using CAPTCHAs, then say so and explain your rationale behind the argument. If you think that there is a way to reinvent scrollbar, say so and explain how exactly you imagine this technique to work and why it’s better. And if you are struggling with a personal problem and would like to hear how the community members managed to solve it, say it, too — it’s very likely that other members of the community have had similar problems and will be glad to join the discussion and help out.

Our Professional Ethics

Saying “no” can be extremely difficult sometimes, especially when personal or financial incentives are at play. However, as professionals, we owe it to ourselves and to our projects to not get enticed by offers and suggestions that do not wholeheartedly coincide with our intentions and objectives. The former can bring temporary benefits, but if applied consistently, the latter will bring long-term benefits.

We need to become more aware of the ethics that we should be following while designing, coding, writing, editing and publishing on the Web. The times when soulless copy-pasted press releases were used “as-is” across online publications are long gone, so let’s stop doing that. Cheap generic stock photos neither visualize nor support the article, so let’s stop using them, too. Professional publications often use “nofollow” attribute to block link-droppers from gaining Google’s link juice; and most users will not click on links titled “Milestone Professional Web Design Agency”, so let’s stop doing it as well. There are many similar examples which we can use to adapt, and optimize our online behavior accordingly.

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The website Ethics and Web Design is a valuable resource which covers the fundamentals of professional ethics in our industry.

As content creators, we often depend on advertising, and that’s sometimes the necessary evil that we need to accept to be able to monetize our dedicated writing efforts. And there is nothing wrong about it. However, we need to set clear limits to how the advertising can and how it cannot be presented on our websites. For example, text link advertising and sponsored posts should always be clearly marked as such. We should have a strict separation between content and advertising. Each of us could design a set of personal principles for his or her websites (publishing policy), publish these rules online and stick to them no matter what. This way the readers will respect you and appreciate the simple fact that you are strongly committed to quality work.

We could benefit from being more critical about our content and the way we present it online. It means paying more attention to copy, consistency of our writing style, quality of images and image captions, design of code snippets etc. These details give our writing a different tone; they empower our thoughts and make the content more trustworthy and reliable. Why don’t we make our work more challenging by trying to make every article we publish at least a tiny bit better than the previous one? We could try not to just “put stuff out there”, but curate our delicate ramblings, making sure that every published article has the highest level of quality that we can afford for it. A style guide can be helpful in this case, especially for larger websites.

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Photoshop Etiquette Manifesto is a website listing helpful and subtle suggestions to organize your Photoshop documents — making the transfer of them less painful.

In Web design it means to stop using anti-patterns — design patterns which are created specifically to trick our users. Instead, we should respect and advocate for our audience and protect their interests. Think about building loyal, honest, authentic user base for your own project or your client’s brand and think about the quality of relationships you create with each user.

Not only should our designs be usable for our visitors, but also our code should be maintainable for developers. Just like with content, you could come up with your set of standards which you’d like to follow in your work, make it public and stick to it. Make it your final checklist item before you hit that “Publish” or “Commit” button. That’s what will make people look up to you and respect your work.

Bottom line: we should strive for responsible Web design that not only embraces best design and coding practices, but also respects our publishing policies, protects the interests of our users and supports the professional work of our colleagues.

Our View of Web Design Trends

As professionals who care about producing beautiful, top-notch products for the Web, we love to explore innovative design and coding techniques. We love to take them apart and put them together again, learning about their potential during the process. We love to discuss them with our colleagues and keep them in mind for upcoming projects. The more other designers use these techniques, the more important they become to us. Among ourselves, we start to respectfully call them trends.

Nevertheless, trends can be dangerous and misleading beasts. They give us an exciting feeling of having a valuable insight that most of our colleagues don’t have yet. We feel fortunate to have discovered one early enough to use it effectively before it becomes common practice. Trends are precursors of the “next big thing,” and so we pay attention to them.

I can’t help but think that trends seem to be spectacularly overrated in our industry. Often they are regarded as bulletproof solutions, respected and universally accepted for the simple reason that they are innovative and widely used (think of drop shadows or text shadows, for example). I believe that we tend to adopt trends too quickly, often getting carried away by their originality rather than understanding their purpose. This should not be the case. Trends are not a panacea for all of the problems we encounter, and often they don’t even provide an optimal solution for the situation in which they were used in the first place.

Not to say that trends are unimportant, though. They are important, especially when they foster innovation and make us reconsider our design decisions. They can challenge us to be more effective and more thoughtful in our designs. Yet they inevitably fail in one particular regard.

Russian Web Design
We can learn a lot simply by examining obscure websites out there, such as Mospromstroy, the website of an industrial construction company in Moscow. The code is far from optimal, but the website itself reveals some interesting design decisions.

One thing I’ve learned to love over the last year is thoroughly examining unfamiliar foreign websites; Russian and Korean websites, to be specific. I feel inspired and empowered just going through them, creating wireframes from them, exploring their interaction patterns and analyzing the source code. I love wondering about the decisions that the designers must have made and the rationales behind those decisions. However, I can only speculate about them; ultimately, I cannot know the context in which these decisions were made.

This lack of context is the main reason why design trends should be approached cautiously. If we don’t know why a certain technique was used, then we need to properly test and validate it before applying it into our own designs. This is the part of the process that I find is often missing in discussions about trends.

We should observe and analyze trends but not consider them as finished “off the shelf” solutions. Instead of following them, we should be confronting them, improving on them and replacing them with our own. Adding elements to our designs merely for the sake of visual or functional interest is counter-productive. We should rather aim for designs that serve their purpose independent of volatile trends. Why not focus on approaching trends responsibly; building on them when they add meaning to a design and ignoring them when they do not fit the contextual scope of the design problem. This would make our websites original, well-formed and timeless.

Learning From The Past

While trends tell us what designers are doing now, we could expand our skills by drawing on our heritage, too. As designers, we are essentially problem-solvers. We analyze existing problems, learn the given objectives and requirements and then start searching for meaningful solutions. However, initially, it is not a clever visual nor technical approach that we are looking for. We are looking for an idea.

At this stage, what helps us most is our experience and creative thinking. And this is exactly where our rich history of visual communication is particularly useful. By studying lessons from the past, we can better understand how ideas and techniques have emerged and evolved over time. We can learn what approaches other professionals have taken to solve the problems facing them — problems that we still might be struggling with today or will in the near future.

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Websites like Design Is History, Smart History and Graphics Atlas are all excellent resources on the history of graphic design, visual communication and the evolution of design processes. We can learn a lot about our craft by exploring them thoroughly.

Andy Clarke’s talk at the New Adventures in Web Design conference was intriguing and pointed out the need for designers to learn about the importance of storytelling in Web design. Andy shared a unique perspective in his presentation, saying that we can shape how users not only interact with content, but consume it in general. He drew a comparison to comic books and Western movies from the 1960s, which used various techniques to dictate the pace of how their information was consumed — be it through a stretch of silence in a movie or the shapes of panels in comic strips.

We could use this technique in our designs to keep readers in the grip of our content just a little longer. Instead of letting users not have to think, we could do the opposite and engage as well as intrigue them (a good example would be of the Ben the Bodyguard website).

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Ben The Bodyguard keeps you on the site longer than you expect.

We shouldn’t hesitate to apply concepts from other time periods or other media into our designs. The concepts actually don’t even have to be design-related. Instead of thinking in terms of shadows, gradients and rounded corners, maybe we should be thinking in terms of tension, timing and narrative.

Next time you’re looking for an idea, pick up that book you’ve always enjoyed reading and read it with a different perspective. Then, search for any unusual points of view that might be worth bringing to the forefront in your next project. Once you’ve found one, grasp this moment, as this is the very second when a unique, innovative design is born.

In Conclusion

As our industry matures, so will our practices and the quality of our work. We may have successfully solved many important problems in our short history, yet there is still much to be done. Writing and talking about the ways we work, the decisions we make and the solutions we come up with will benefit each of us. We could explore the connections between our discipline and other established industries as well as revise and reinforce our professional vocabulary and our ethics.

Perhaps we could all dedicate 10 to 15 minutes of our time to the community every day. We could (and should) make this a firm personal commitment and encourage each other to take part. Find some time to leave a meaningful comment, support a valuable resource, write a short article about what you’ve learned. All of these contributions matter and will prompt meaningful and inspiring discussions. For starters, we could start raising awareness of our commitments by using the hash tag #wdcommunity.

I strongly believe that if we keep doing this every single day, we’ll wake up one day marvelling at how remarkable our community has become. I, for one, am eagerly looking forward to this day.

Huge thanks to Francisco Inchauste, Chris Shiflett, Nishant Kothary, Paul Scrivens, Andy Clarke, Dan Rubin and others for their valuable contributions and suggestions for this article.

Vitaly Friedman loves beautiful content and doesn’t like to give in easily. Vitaly is writer, speaker, author and editor-in-chief of Smashing Magazine, an online magazine dedicated to designers and developers.

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    @Vitaly: Great article. I’m glad Smashing is working on how to make these conversations more meaningful. It’s ironic how the more participation increases the lower quality our conversations become.

    @Samantha: You are right, Vitaly didn’t list any female designers in his list. There are some great ones out there like Jina Bolton, Veerle Pieters, and Meagan Fisher. Do you know of others? Please share.

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      Jina and veerle are not great designers, just popular ones. Again, same old names banded around. Yawn. What about Paula Scher?

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    Thierry Meier

    March 25th, 2011 3:34 pm

    Excellent article and often, oh so, true. I am a rookie myself and would love to see more interessting discussions (or shall I say, I’d love to know where they take place) to learn from and of course communicate my thoughts as well, especially since the web design community here in Switzerland isnt that large, open-minded and communicative.

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    Joseph McCullough

    March 26th, 2011 3:11 pm

    For a publication that is supposedly anti-bandwagon, you sure have a lot of band-wagoners. Is it the anti-bandwagon bandwagon?

    Thanks for the yearly “The community is dead” article, smashing. My life was feeling incomplete without it.

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    Mike Edward Moras (e-sushi™)

    March 26th, 2011 3:49 pm

    Where we have gone?

    Simple: leaving the forums, abandoning the blogs, minimizing our info on one-page websites that are hard to discover in the mass of twitter-alike information spit out by the big search engine beasts… we’re simply trying to avoid the noob tsunami, heading over to that thing called “undistracted work”, concentrating on our personal capitalistic health.

    Why are you asking? You’re missing our free content, brilliant designs and cool tips so you can reblog them here? Sorry, that party is over indeed. Welcome to web 3.0! ;)

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      You were a noob once. Congrats on perpetuating the ever increasing barrier to entry.

      It’s people like this who think they are better than “noobs” that create a hostile community.

      The community isn’t all dead, but isn’t really a place you’d want to hang out.

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    Maybe Graphic Designers, Art Directors, etc., are tired of programming, developing applications, i myself had a problem at work because now Flash is all about OOP, and im not a programmer. Maybe we should leave the discussion for developers, web developers (not web designers) and make a rational division of tasks. Maybe we should leave that progress to the ones who know what to do, with a logical approach, and designers occupy time in what they best do, design and illustrate (even animate), with an artistic approach.

    So, for the spirit of the article, maybe web design community is focusing on things like, breathing, relaxing, designing, and working, trying to live life without losing their brains in learning things they dont need. What would happen if Rembrandt was more interested in developing a new brush than painting?

    Maybe we are painting now, so don´t bother waiting.

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    Ramsez Stamper

    March 28th, 2011 6:59 am

    The community is there, but i agree that more often than not designers are prone to kiss each other’s asses more than necessary.
    I’m a developer and as such i’ve worked with multiple designers and I have rarely found one who can look at their own designs objectively and say “wow, i really messed up on this one”. As a programmer, we always know when we mess up….someone goes “dude, you messed up, it doesn’t work”. (now, it doesn’t matter that they’re running IE4 on windows NT3 or something, we get the blame ;) )

    The best community for web folk (designers and programmers should work together, not separately) is forrst.com hands down. I read interesting new posts and questions every day and learn something new almost every day. It helps us keep up with new trends, because let’s face it, if you don’t keep up , you become obsolete pretty quickly in our industry. It’s just the way it works, mainly because the web has become tied in with the fast-moving, ever-changing pop culture of today. Of course, i agree with some of the comments above that following every new trend gets you nowhere, so i pick and choose what to do, in the end, the things that make it big are the ones we MUST get into whether we like em or not (twitter, facebook are two prime examples), the rest fade away pretty quickly.

    The community exists, and it’s alive an well in small hubs like forrst and dribble. The people who are active on those sites are all passionate about our craft. If you are passionate too, go where the passionate people are. They are invite only to weed out the people who sign up, hang out for a week, and forget about the whole thing. They want people who live and breathe this stuff, and that’s what I think is what makes them great hubs for web folk.

    My two cents.

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    The web design community has never been, and will never be, one massive, cohesive behemoth of people with the same viewpoints and practices.

    If you want community, I suggest you hand-pick a dozen people you’d really like to collaborate with, and make your own community. Nothing professional is going to spring up and then let just anyone waltz into it.

    A real community takes more investment, more intentionality, more accountability than simple “openness” affords.

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    Well, your article can be resumed to one thing: The Eternal September.

    Quoting Wikipedia:

    “In 1993, the online service America Online began offering Usenet access to its tens of thousands, and later millions, of users. To many “old-timers”, these “AOLers” were far less prepared to learn netiquette than university students. This was in part because AOL made little effort to educate its users about Usenet customs, or explain to them that these new-found forums were not simply another piece of AOL’s service. But it was also a result of the much larger scale of growth. Whereas the regular September freshman influx would soon settle down, the sheer number of new users now threatened to overwhelm the existing Usenet culture’s capacity to inculcate its social norms.”

    People forgot Netiquette. By that I mean the online culture of posting really useful information, or to help each other, to contribute, collaborate, behave, etc.

    Let me put it this way, if you open the door of your university, house or business without any restrictions, you end up with a mess, you need to open that to at least people interested in learning. Another example: Back in the old days people learned photography and then they started to develop a style. Now that everybody can buy a dsrl for 600 usd and read some blogs about Photoshop tips, everybody is a “talented” photographer, even if they don’t have a clue about concept, storytelling and personal vision.

    So it’s happening, web 2.0, the internet for the people, where everybody can be a Nobel prize writer (at least in their heads) if they open a blogger/wp site. The web 2.0 is touching the Eternal September, the eternal generation of garbage, the growing for the sake of growing.

    Psychologists are saying that too much choice doesn’t free us, it numbs us. As is happening with the market, is happening with communities that seem to dissolve because they are to big to be “communities”.

    My two cents.

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    This may or may not go for the entire industry but as a web developer, things like wordpress, jquery, etc have ruined the industry. Yes, while making the overall job of a developer easier, its also introducing many of “non developers” into the developer scene.

    Before, you needed to know sound javascript principles, OOP and be a competent “programmer”, now all you need to know is how to download a plugin.

    Before you needed to know how to sculpt a proper min-width flexible layout, now all you need to know is how download a theme.

    I know this may sound like an elitist going on a rant, but think about it. Before you needed to really dive into the industry and learn learn learn to be proficient. Now all you need to do is learn how to modify a few scripts, themes, and plugins.

    Where I work now, they interviewed 10 different “developers” and I was the only one who could properly answer why “prototyping in javascript is ‘bad’”. Though I don’t personally agree with that, I could answer it and give my opinion on it because I actually know Javascript, not just jQuery.

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    I think that leaving the page 47 answer out causes me to leave the next film (if there is to be one) out of my list of movies to go to.hellooo writers or editors.. either wrap everything up in the same movie of leave it on the cutting room floor.

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    The real “community” disappeared when BB forums were replaced by “Web 2.0″ and “social media”. Forums allowed for so much more interaction between designers. Now, Twitter, Tumblr, Blogs, Gallery sites etc., are all based on “Comments” left which usually contain nothing but ass-kissing, mindless praise with replies like “Cool!” or “I like it”.

    I miss forums immensely. Sadly, the days of 1000+ active users on a design forum are gone.

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    Raquel Rodriguez

    March 15th, 2012 4:32 pm

    Thanks for these resources! Look very promising for teaching me a thing or two.

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    Ivan Tolmachev

    March 18th, 2012 8:53 pm

    Wonderful, simply wonderful article. And several resources I might as well follow from now on :)

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    I’m inclined to agree with James here. More and more we see the same set of people speak at conferences. They give their opinions, and everyone is taking it as the written truth. Too easy is it to jump on the bandwagon (the flash hate is perpetuated probably by the people who were extolling the virtues of flash sites 15 years ago, “user experience” is the new “art director”, job titles we gave ourselves to boost salaries in a flourishing industry), and it seems there’s a new band wagon every 3 or 4 weeks in these inner circles.

    The communities died off because they’re no longer open communities. Dribble is a prime example of this. An industry led invite only community that promotes congratulation over critical discussion. And the message boards or communities that are still publicly open often have the same “who the f are you?” attitude for voicing an opinion or not being an original member.

    I don’t often comment on blog posts because I too find it easier to close the window on something I disagree with than engage the author. I don’t get too much time outside of commuting, work. and raising a family to contribute a great deal. But what incentive are we seeing to contribute? To be shouted down by the mass followers of the loudest voices? To be told “you’re doing it wrong” without follow up or suggestion of which direction to take? I’d rather not waste my time when I could be using that to make something or learn something new.

    If the communities were made more open, friendlier places to contribute, maybe more would participate.

    Above all else, people need to stop taking everything they read for granted and retweeting it. Think for yourself. Study. Form a valid, informed opinion. Question or challenge the industry leaders. Comment thoughtfully. In doing so we can somewhat attempt to revive the community.

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    A very good post.

    When I first started 14 years ago life was simple. I was a web designer. I knew HTML and CSS, I could dabble in photoshop and that was that. Life was so simple then. I had maybe one or two emails a day so I had plenty of time to sit back to help others and learn myself.

    Moving forward to today I’m now expected to be a web designer, a web developer, a graphic designer, a UX and UI creator, a JavaScript coder, a Flash designer, an SEO expert, a Social Media guru, a PPC campaign wizard. I’m expected to know HTML4/5, CSS2/3, Javascript, PhP, .net, MySQL, Action Script. I’m expected to know how to create templates in dozens of different CMS/blog/shopping carts. On top of that I now have between 20 and 50 emails I have to reply to each day.

    My role over the years has grown exponentially. With new techniques, new code, new languages to learn and the dreaded software updates which cause a new learning curve. I simply don’t have the time to contribute anywhere near the amount I would like to. I post helpful twitter posts and I occasionally add a blog post. That is pretty much all I have time for now and I’m sure many others are in the same boat.

    A great many web designers are expected to be front-end, back-end and graphic designer all rolled into one and there simply isn’t enough time for many of us anymore when we are expected to know so much…

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    I’m inclined to agree with James here. More and more we see the same set of people speak at conferences. They give their opinions, and everyone is taking it as the written truth. Too easy is it to jump on the bandwagon (the flash hate is perpetuated probably by the people who were extolling the virtues of flash sites 15 years ago, “user experience” is the new “art director”, job titles we gave ourselves to boost salaries in a flourishing industry), and it seems there’s a new band wagon every 3 or 4 weeks in these inner circles.

    The communities died off because they’re no longer open communities. Dribble is a prime example of this. An industry led invite only community that promotes congratulation over critical discussion. And the message boards or communities that are still publicly open often have the same “who the f are you?” attitude for voicing an opinion or not being an original member.

    I don’t often comment on blog posts because I too find it easier to close the window on something I disagree with than engage the author. I don’t get too much time outside of commuting, work. and raising a family to contribute a great deal. But what incentive are we seeing to contribute? To be shouted down by the mass followers of the loudest voices? To be told “you’re doing it wrong” without follow up or suggestion of which direction to take? I’d rather not waste my time when I could be using that to make something or learn something new.

    If the communities were made more open, friendlier places to contribute, maybe more would participate.

    Above all else, people need to stop taking everything they read for granted and retweeting it. Think for yourself. Study. Form a valid, informed opinion. Question or challenge the industry leaders. Comment thoughtfully. In doing so we can somewhat attempt to revive the community.

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    Popular web folks don’t feel like there is meaningful discussion out there because you don’t follow your followers. You’ve created this closed club of dribbblesque members who don’t pay attention to newcomers. The newbies are the ones that really benefit from discussion, and are the ones that bring new ideas to the table. I’ve often mentioned a big wig on twitter in reply to an article and get no response, no follow… Most of the time I don’t participate in discussions because I feel like no one is listening.

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    I disagree somewhat. I think that the community you have described is too large and too cumbersome to manage and communicate in a single place. Thus the things you are looking for a now more spread across different places and mediums (e.g. forums, mailing lists). Without spending the time looking for them, usually through a vested interest, one doesn’t tend to find them. Especially if there is a sign-up process.

    These silo-esque hives are all each of comparative size to the good old days, carry out the same level of debate and discussion as you describe, and then spill their results out into the wider community. Where they are more readily accepted.

    “…Smashing Magazine delivers useful and innovative information to Web designers and developers. Our aim is to inform our readers about the latest trends and techniques in Web development… ” It is your job to find these silos, participate and bring the interesting bits here.

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    Interesting thoughts Vitaly. I agree that in some respects the community isn’t necessarily what it was a few years back but that’s not to say it’s gone altogether.

    Having been much more active on Twitter in the last 12 months or so than I’ve ever been, one thing I’ve noticed is that the same names keep cropping up time and again and their word is being taken more as gospel than ever because they speak at the same conferences.

    The web industry is in danger of turning into a self perpetuating circle-jerk than ever because of the size and fervour attached to the “following” of many of the designers mentioned.

    The Method & Craft site you listed above is a great example. It’s got only 9 articles at this time and while they’re interesting and well written, it’s hard to believe it would get the exposure if the people involved were lesser names in the industry.

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    David Bushell

    March 21st, 2011 4:37 am

    Very thoughtful post Vitaly, you’ve really done well in discussing the issues from all view points. Overall the web design & dev community is a very progressive and healthy one.

    With all the growth in recent years it’s easy to feel lost as an individual. I think your idea of dedicating time to the community is the perfect attitude. Put our community into context with others, we’re a remarkably positive and collective bunch :)

    I don’t mind the ambiguity and lack of vocabulary. I think this is more a result of pioneering ideas that get everyone into a buzz of excitement and learning. I’d take this any day, even if it comes with confusion over terminology.

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    Christopher Murphy

    March 21st, 2011 5:47 am

    It’s hard to disagree with your sentiment that you often, “find it extremely difficult to find meaningful debates.” Yes, there are debates taking place, but at times they appear to be the same old voices… There’s also – undeniably – a lack of depth across the range of discussions that are taking place.

    Perhaps one reason for this lies with the manner in which a great deal of discussion appears to have moved from the in depth medium of carefully crafted and well thought through articles (published both on personal sites and, equally importantly, on well-established channels like A List Apart, Smashing Magazine and elsewhere) to the more ephemeral world of Twitter.

    Chris Shiflett highlighted this issue just last week with a call to arms, titled ‘Ideas of March’, encouraging everyone to write more and to think things through in a deeper and more rigorous manner. It was a call to arms that, encouragingly, was taken up by many, many writers including Drew McLellan, Jon Tan, ourselves and a whole host of other individuals. A quick search of the #ideasofmarch hashtag will turn up a wealth of discussion.

    As far as finding the time to contribute goes, you hit the nail on the head. Perhaps we’re a victim of our own success. Our community has grown substantially and there’s now so much to read that it can feel at times like we’re swimming against a tide of opinions. When faced with the diversity of content on offer, adding to it through carefully considered comments can prove a challenge.

    Perhaps the answer to the question lies in the fact that contributing in a thoughtful and engaging manner is difficult. Dashing off a tweet significantly increases the volume of discussion, however, it doesn’t necessarily increase the quality of discussion. To contribute in depth, to add value, takes time and – sadly – that time isn’t always forthcoming.

    Writing is difficult, it takes practice and – sadly, in my experience as an educator – isn’t something that’s held in high regard. All too often younger designers (whether in education or self taught) are focused on quick hits, seeking the shortest possible route to fame and celebrity. It’s a shame, as these very same young designers have a huge amount of enthusiasm and potential that they could offer in a meaningful way to our wider community.

    Perhaps it’s this hurry that goes to the heart of the problem: the hurry to acquire celebrity; the hurry to rush off a comment; the hurry to consume everything and, in so doing, give very little back to the community.

    Let’s be optimistic though. We work in a very connected industry and there’s all to play for. Perhaps we should encourage everyone to slow down just a little, put a little more thought and effort into the community, write in a little more depth and, above all, share their experiences for the benefit of all. If everyone were to dedicate ten to fifteen minutes a day, as you suggest, to give something back to the community, just think what we might achieve.

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    4 things happened for me.

    1. Link bait articles by many of the design-centered blogs killed my interest in many design-centered blogs, and my main connection to the industry/community. I stopped going to them as much, then I stopped going to them altogether (this one included).

    2. Champions of design and code became authors and speakers. What used to be conversations about standards became conversations about waiting for a cab at the airport in whatever city.

    3. I had an early desire to work to become some sort of industry expert/internet famous kind of guy. I quickly got over that when I realized the work was more important then my ego.

    4. I think a lot of us reached maturity at the same time. There’s always more learning to be done, but most of that is independently done, and in specialized areas.

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    Janice Schwarz

    March 21st, 2011 5:57 am

    Funny, I’ve been having thoughts in a similar vein since last Friday.

    I saw a blog post last week, at a high traffic design/dev site, where someone was reminiscing IE7′s release and commenting how shocked he was at the time that he’d have to test in 2 versions of IE.

    But I remember making sites that needed to be viewed in IE3, IE4, IE5 and IE5.5 and Netscape, plus there were users still on Windows 3 and 3.5 and just about everyone was on dialup.

    And at that moment, it dawned on me: I’ve been doing this professionally for 11 years. Why haven’t I been contributing to the community more? Why aren’t I even writing in a blog of my own about web design and development? Why haven’t I been commenting more often?

    After 11 years, I still think of myself as that wide-eyed newbie of a decade ago. I think in part because I’ve reached that place in my career where I know enough to know what I don’t know, and what I likely won’t ever know. Add to that juggling a family, a job, and freelance work and like many, it’s tough to find the time. I don’t even get to use Twitter much anymore now that I’m back in a 9 to 5 job (scheduling tweets just isn’t the same as having a conversation).

    I joined StackOverflow just last Friday. (I know, “only just now?”) And tried to participate in more blog discussions. But maybe more posts like this reminding everyone, “hey, we know you’re out there…why aren’t you talking to us?” may draw out more like me.

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    Helen Jane Hearn

    March 21st, 2011 8:54 am

    In my experience, everyone I know at the level you’re discussing is *way* too busy to contribute to a community like this.

    With many of us having families, with higher client expectations, with more pressure to stay current as more have attempted freelancing, I’m finding that I have zero time to contribute to forums.

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    I completely agree. This business has grown so much, thanks to many talented people who were willing to share and had time to dedicate. Why isn’t it happening anymore?

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    Great read! We definitely should take words like this to heart. No one is saying we all need to work the same way, but to realize we don’t work in a bubble.

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    This is mostly because people that are very good at what they do are busy doing it rather than blogging about it. Likewise, if I’m better than most people at something in particular, it doesn’t benefit me at all to teach other people how to do it, particularly via public websites where I would likely be training a cheap replacement overseas. This is the reason you never see anything worth a damn on CodeProject.

    As far as debating “design” with people. Design is too subjective for debate. Particularly with a community that seems to be about 95% uneducated, inexperienced amateurs. If you’re like “no it’s not”, then either you’re in the lucky 5%, or you’re one of the 95% and you’re just too stupid to realize it. Anyone that’s been in the hiring process for a web designer can tell you, you’ll meet about 19 amateurs to every 1 professional. Trust me, it’s agonizing.

    … and that will bring you back to our problem. Professionals are busy. They don’t generally have time to participate in a “community” and even if they did, it’s more likely to increase the abilities of their competition rather than help them. Most professionals are college educated, which means they’ve PAID for their knowledge with money and hard work, some are just seasoned veterans… again, they’ve paid for their knowledge with time and hard work instead of money. Asking for more community involvement from these people is like saying “Please give me your knowledge for free”. Anyone that would do that, outside of volunteering with children, is a fool.

    All of that said, thank you for sharing your knowledge, I’m happy to take it for free. BTW, I use AdBlock. ;)

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    Adam Beizsley-Pycroft

    March 21st, 2011 4:23 am

    Could it be that over the last few years the Web Design / Development / UX Community (call it what you will) has moved into a more professional space and due to the perception of the economy etc people believe that there are less jobs available (not necessarily the case in an ever expanding field) and don’t want to help “the competition”? I’d also suggest that due to budget constraints and the demand for our services many people have much less time on their hands. For example, I work as a self employed consultant during the day and over the last week and a half I’ve also clocked up 42 hours of work for other clients out of hours.

    I’m self taught but probably couldn’t have got here if it wasn’t for the great community resources available over the years. I’d argue that Stack Exchange is a great place to have these discussions although people usually start them to respond to a specific problem rather than with the intention of generating debate and advancing the wider philosophy.

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    To make my point more clear:

    You do not list the 100 best color tools, you teach how to use color in your design.

    You do not showcase the top 500 dark web designs, you teach how to make one. How it relates to contrast, font selection, feel for spacing.

    You do not teach how to replicate OSx icons, you teach how to create depth in design, how you can consistently create the illusion of a light source.

    This is teaching design, and most magazines are doing a crappy job at it. While I’m ranting, there’s another opportunity: bleeding edge articles. How about some serious HTML5 canvas tutorials, that go beyond drawing a bloody circle. Or a full WebGL showcase? There’s plenty of things like that that you will find almost nowhere.

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    Step 1. If you design for a larger corporation — print this article out. Go up the food chain to your first non-designer management type. Tell her or him its important, and that your organization needs to encourage participation in the debate. Then give him or her a list of the last ten design discussions you participated in and suggest this take place on company time.

    Step 2. Upload your resume and portfolio to . . . .

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    thanks for opening up this topic and i am glad to post my contribution.

    sometimes “popularity” is very stressful, on this field, once you are popular, it sticks on your forehead. unfortunately, these popular-professional-busy people doesn’t even visit their commenters website… and in most cases, they only look forward to meeting other popular-professional-busy people like “them” and alike designers, isn’t it? you see? some people are feared if there is someone on a big project who has lesser names up there.

    i am not professional and i am not popular, so who cares? yet still, i don’t believe that the web design community has lessen its voice, its just that the big guys of this niche don’t even bother to reach out on small / less popular ones and i am not ashamed to express my feelings being one of them.

    where did the community spirit go? i think it was hidden/ignored publicly by those classified people – “the popular-professional-busy big guys”. i also think you should be asking “where did the professional web designers’ community go?” because the article is all about professional web designers so it would be very specific and fair.

    The web design community is huge by nature and it is not limited to “professionals” alone. we have amateurs as well. *raises her hand in shyness*

    Amateurs or the less experienced ones… hmmn… are left behind or the professional field is shying them away or they are most often ignored because no one is interested commenting on a less-popular, amateur and less busy designers and artists or creative bloggers with less updates on their websites.. amateurs focus mainly on their improvement and find resources “alone” and taking a chance to build up themselves from the crowd yet capable to fill-in the professional’s short-comings…

    also, they are asking for more questions that was never answered by what they call themselves – “professionals” on their site. instead they will give more technicalities you can’t even reach. who cares? and what can you do? you are already professional, you can only speak for/to those who are on the professional level as well and because there have been more amateurs sprouting everywhere, they think they won’t fit the level so they will try to climb up so someone could possibly notice them – sometimes success but most of the time “fail”.

    well, yeah professionals are always updated and so they only do and update stuffs base on their mentally that “I am already professional, you should look up to me and do this and that and this and that” plus the big “I”, “ME” and “MY” shiny website statement. they didn’t know that the amateur people actually brings out more discussions and more activity to the community because they have dozens and gazillions of questions everyday that they encounter. well, those questions can only be answered now by google search. it’s like i heard it more often.. “go google it” reply from people who actually knows better when you ask on some professional web design community rather than give them tips and hints to lessen their burden searching over 100++ tutorial sites’ articles.

    and talking about twitter and its marketing techniques, popular designers and blog owners now use automatic stuffs that once they follow you today and you follow them tomorrow, the next thing you’ll know is that…. “they are no longer following you” lolz! you’ll be pretty much thankful to see your @yourname being mentioned by popular peeps that answer your question or even just a recognition on your opinion or your contribution, especially if you are “not well-known” that is a “YAY! expression” and guess what? they will instead spam your twitter with their every blog posts from years before which you received like 100xx from the last 30 days. errr! why? because that’s how the system goes?

    slap me if I’m wrong but I think some people on this niche aren’t really professionals, they are just popular because their tweets are visible to 10,000++ twitter followers. they post repeated round-ups by their websites and is claiming to be professional to hide their weaknesses. they are not professionals, they are just bloggers and/or random critiques and/or readers as well, who by any means are posting to make a living.

    professionals? you guys are growing old, i think it’s true and it is time to adopt some amateurs to be your apprentice so the web design field can live longer and will not be limited on your popularity.

    someone once told me, “being too professional and too technical is shying away new comers.”

    PS: the “You” on statements doesn’t actually pointing on SM. it is meant in general who would take time to read this. thanks again.

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    Good post, and great comments. I agree with many on here that time constraints are a factor in keeping busy (good) designers & developers from blogging and interacting more. You suggest we take 10-15 minutes out of our day to contribute, but whenever I write a blog post it takes FAR longer than that — usually at least an hour. Because of that, my contributions are few and far between. If anything, that limiting factor drives me to Twitter.

    I would love to contribute to the community. I also understand that publishing blog posts and articles isn’t just selfless — it’s great marketing. However, at this point I don’t have time for any marketing, nevermind genuine contribution. I’m booked months & months in advance, and struggle just to keep up with professional obligations.

    On a different note, I totally agree with Anna above. There seems to be an “inner circle” of 10 or so revered blogging designers & developers whose material is referenced over and over and over in this “community”. Not that it’s not good stuff — much of it is. I’ve read and familiarized myself with most of them and they’re true pros — but at this point, I’ve generally taken what I can from them, and am ready for something new.

    Fresh faces are always welcome — but then again, I think time constraints are limiting new entrants.

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    Jens Grochtdreis

    March 23rd, 2011 11:05 am

    Hi Vitaly,

    thank you for this lengthy piece. As a spokesman of the German webstandards-community I want to discuss some of your thoughts. I cannot discuss all of them, as it would be a too lengthy answer.

    I don’t see the present as dark as you do.

    You look for leaders and claim, that they are all busy. Well, the old discussion-leaders are busy and resigned years ago. There is seldom any real input by Eric Meyer, Dave Shea, Molly Holzschlag, Zeldman or the like. All those heroes of the past had their time. Now is another time. And I personally don’t miss them.

    Today the most heard voices are from browser- and search-engine-evangelists, Javascript specialists and webdesign-magazines. The actual heroes are Chris Heilmann, Bruce Lawson, Paul Irish and some others. We moved from a few influential blogs to a huge ecosystem of knowledge and discussion. And this ecosystem is alive and in constant change. Maybe in a month there will be a “new kid on the block” who thrills us with good articles, good tutorials, good demos, good ideas. And as this ecosystem is so vast there are no real leaders anymore.

    Readers on the other hand may have not been professionalised, like all the authors have. Often I read articles about a very old topic which receives excited comments. Or there are articles about YUI where half of the commentors claim jQuery to be super-cool. Not-so-intelligent readers don’t disappear.

    Everything in our business is now more professional. There are hundreds of conferences around the globe all year. Many of these talks are delivered as mp3 or the slides are on slideshare. That is great and it feeds our knowledge. There are more and more books published and fortunately there are more and more books for specialists and pros.

    Real discussions are not easy. We have much more magazines and blogs than “in the old days”. So where to focus? On Smashing or CSS-Tricks or Nettuts or dev.opera or dev.mozilla or …?

    Waht drives me more nuts than any possible loss of discussion is the lack of professionalism in many articles and examples. There are many articles about jQuery that don’t care about a correct, semantic HTML or about a really useful example. You can even find those strange codes in books. And there are many CSS3- or HTML5-demos out there, that are nearly without use/sense or aren’t what they claim to be.

    I think we can indetify a lack of patience and professionalism out there. Many people ask querstions without researching the topic in the first place. And if the presented solution doesn’t fit perfectly many “developers” aren’t capable of customizing the solution to their needs.

    You write “We need more meaningful and helpful discussions within our community”. Well, we have those discussions, but the are ignored because the noise of all those blogs and magazines is so loud. And on the other hand did we have good and effective discussions in the past. It is unlikely that young developers will use layout-tables and it is more and more likely, that those young developers care about accessibility. But there is a small and very influential habitat in a parallel-universe that influences all our debates: the W3C and the WHATWG.

    Not long ago the W3C’s HTML5-group claimed that there should be a role=”layout” for a table in HTML5. Those guys are killing the effects of years of discussion and promotion by the webstandards-community. This is awfull and they should be ashamed. But I guess they don’t get it.

    Time gets faster and faster. You realized it in your article yourself. I myself write fewer posts in my blog than I did three or four years ago. And for reading it is worse. About two years ago I nearly quitted reading rss-feeds, because I get more links than I can read via Twitter. So the techniques and services we use change and they have an effect. Many discussions that could take place in blog are now held via twitter. So twitter has both a positive and a negative effect on our community.

    You are right that high-end infos are rare and tend to be ignored because of all those fancy CSS3-jQuery-HTML5-thingies. It’s a shame but it is not unusual. It is like the real life where the tabloid papers get more readers and attention than the intelligent newspapers.

    I think we have a few real “problems”.
    1. We have a huge information-ecosystem.
    2. Twitter focusses discussions and informations.
    3. The number of half-educated “pros” is rising. And many of them don’t like to think and research by themselves.
    4. Many code-examples (and jQuery-plugins and CMS-plugins and …) on the web are pure rubbish and nobody tells it to the developers and readers.
    5. There are no real groups that focus attention. We are a huge bunch of individuals.
    6. The W3C doesn’t care a bit about what the webstandards-community does and thinks. And this although we are the supporters that are teaching the standards they create. There is no cooperation between the W3C and the community.

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    On top of all the other reasons mentioned in the article, time most importantly, we should also acknowledge that it is pretty much impossible to have a discussion even if you would want it.

    Take this SM article. It has 106 comments. The article is lengthy. If I were to properly analyze it, consider its pros and cons, and then do the same for all comments, it would take me hours. The size of a discussion is not infinitely scalable. It becomes unmanagable soon. In business, it is recommended to not have more than 8 people in a meeting, preferably not more than 3 if it concerns a discussion. Here we have dozens.

    Plus, it is not conversational. I could post a comment here. Then I have to come back (which could be hours later), to see if somebody responded. In the meanwhile, the entire discussion may have changed and move on to another level. You simply cant have rich discussions on a popular blog and Twitter is even worse.

    The only thing I want to suggest is for people to stop making comments that are meaningless. I’m not saying mine are great but I don’t want to scroll through enormous lists of “great job”, “well done” looking for a comment with actual content in it. If you like something, like it, or vote on it, but please dont say it.

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    Mike Edward Moras (e-sushi™)

    March 26th, 2011 3:49 pm

    Where we have gone?

    Simple: leaving the forums, abandoning the blogs, minimizing our info on one-page websites that are hard to discover in the mass of twitter-alike information spit out by the big search engine beasts… we’re simply trying to avoid the noob tsunami, heading over to that thing called “undistracted work”, concentrating on our personal capitalistic health.

    Why are you asking? You’re missing our free content, brilliant designs and cool tips so you can reblog them here? Sorry, that party is over indeed. Welcome to web 3.0! ;)

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    I think one of the biggest problems is that, when you start getting good, you’re booked up for months in advance. That means that you have very little time to work on personal projects and even less time to go read blog posts and comment on them, because, as you say, there’s a lot more crap to trawl through that doesn’t contribute to your knowledge base.

    To be honest, I didn’t have time to read your article thoroughly and the comments, which I’m sure are quite interesting. That’s what happens when you get good– you’re too busy!!! I wish I could write more, contribute more, but to write a truly useful, well written article, takes a lot of time and mental space. But here you go, my 15 minutes for today! ;)

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    I will comment for once, as someone who generally doesn’t bother.

    I came into this industry in the last four or five years and believe the community is there if you are part of the clique. Asking questions, showcasing design and code is great if your stuff is pretty bullet proof. If however, you are a professional but very much still on the steeper end of the learning curve engaging with the wider community is daunting mainly because the times you do, you find your design and code ripped to shreds by cocky individuals who seem to want to keep you out.

    So I don’t bother. I keep my Clients happy and I do my best. My design is probably not the best, my mark-up is not the leanest and neither is my css. It will get better because I enjoy it I think, not because anyone in the community has helped me directly (this does not mean I do not see and read all the great resources out there and am not grateful to the people who produce them – as they have helped me).

    I have not had great experiences contributing to the debate that’s all.

    Cheers rant over! I’m not really a sour-puss I guess I’ve just never got that off my chest!

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    Vitaly Friedman

    March 22nd, 2011 2:37 am

    I am not sure that this is the case, Adam. Indeed, the community has matured a lot, but I don’t think that most of us see each other as competitors. The Web is growing and flourishing and I think that there is place for each of us; the more experienced we become, the better. But to become more experienced, it’s not enough to do our regular work — this is where the exchange of ideas could help a lot.

    Thank you for your comment. I’d love to hear the opinion of other readers to your comment, too!

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    Part of what has made me a bit wary of joining in too much with the community is basically because the kinds of websites I make aren’t the kind that the community would look twice at – not that they’re bad at all, just that it’s e-commerce where being “edgy and daring” is a very dangerous thing to do. I just re-launched one of my sites and all I got from some of the web designers I know was “It’s not very edgy” or “it’s a bit traditional”.

    Basically, the site is very good at what it does, makes people feel safe when buying and makes a ton of money, but all it gets is ridicule from the web community because it doesn’t “break any rules”. It just became clear over time that the kinds of sites which win design awards and get featured in “top 10 prettiest sites” type countdowns aren’t the ones that actually work. I’ve tried multivariate and A/B tests on some of my sites to incorporate what could be considered “edgy and daring content” and the result was that sales bombed!

    It’s therefore a bit difficult for me to engage with a community who seem to be so far from reality when it comes to actually maintaining gainful employment in the web industry. Just adding the caviat though that this is clearly not *all* of the community :) I have met many like minded developers over the years and you’re lovely.

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    Jeremy Carlson

    March 21st, 2011 10:04 am

    Where did the web design community go? The people that used to go to sites like this learned more, and started following other tech blogs instead of general article discussion blogs with beginner tutorials. Which isn’t to say that this type of blog is bad. It isn’t. I came here and to other similar blogs, and learned a lot. But once I got going, I wanted to learn other things that these blogs were not providing.

    So I started to follow less known blogs and people on twitter because they were giving more refined knowledge on topics I was really interested in. It is a growth thing. The more experienced you become, the more beginner articles and tuts become less interesting.

    Yes there is time constraints on the more experienced developers, but I think it is more of an ‘outgrowing’ the blogs you started with. I used to visit SM at least once daily. Now, its only when something catches my eye on twitter. Today I came here to see what could possibly be said that is new in yet another ‘dead community’ type article.

    I still contribute to what you call the ‘web design community’, I’m just doing it elsewhere now. Keep posting what you post, because there is a need for it.

    I just think we should see other people though….so let’s just be friends.

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    In depth discussions are hard to come across and that is a great shame. I, like you seemed to, very much enjoyed the recent discussion in the community surrounding the hashbang URL design pattern. It was great to see a whole raft of people discussing their views on the matter and link to various other views even if they were opposing views. I have only been fully immersed in the community for a year and this was the first time I’d seen a debate with this level of detail. It was great to see and it was extremely beneficial. I want to see more of it.

    You raise another issue about the amount of time people have to participate. I thing this is a key issue. Everybody is so busy with their work and trying to keep on top of all the advancements and new techniques that they are all suffering from information fatigue. When they do find time to read and do research there is just so much stuff out there that it is hard to know where to go each time and where the quality, must reads are. It’s difficult.

    Excellent and easy to use tools and mechanisms for curation are what are needed to help with this. Some are or might be available now, if that is the case we need to share these with everyone. A social tool is only as useful as the number of people that use it.

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    I totally agree with you. I think very often that i´m not good enough to share my experience in some fields and that someone should write an article, comment or an answer who is better skilled than me. But i do this also professionally over 10 years now and i should have enough experience to start some discussions or help somebody with a problem, but maybe i´m afraid to say something wrong :-)

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    This begs the question: what is considered community? Locally, my web design community is astounding. I’m a board member for the local AIGA chapter, I volunteer time as a mentor for students at our local college and I participate in group critiques. Just because we work on the web doesn’t mean that my sense of community needs to come from the web. In fact, I find it much easier to have an impact in person than I do interfacing with a comment system.

    I blame dribbble for my loss interest in the online web community. I’m interested in critical feedback, not people fawning over my work. Drawar has been a good place for it, but even better, are the people in my town. I know the quality of their work so I can then trust their feedback – this compared to relatively anonymous visitors on a site.

    That aside, I don’t think the community is dying, just changing. The absolute pervasiveness of the internet in our lives has disillusioned us from a promised sense of community and driven us back what’s local and not virtual. Farmers markets are huge again. Buying local manufactured products is considered best-practice; it just makes sense to me that we are moving that way in our personal lives as well.

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