Old Browsers Are Holding Back The Web

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Because of how far certain Web technologies like HTML5 and CSS3 have brought us, many would say that—from a Web platform perspective—the future is now. Sounds like a cliché, I know. At the very least, it feels like the future is starting to bubble up to the surface… but it’s just not quite there yet.

When we use new DOM features, HTML5 APIs and the latest in CSS3, the possibilities that open up are astounding. These new technologies help us easily build Web applications with less reliance on hacks, plugins, images, and bloated scripts. This makes life easier not only for Web developers (for both building and maintaining these projects) but also for the end user who gets a faster and stronger overall experience.

But there is a huge road block preventing our “future” from truly becoming the now. What is this roadblock? It’s old browsers. Let’s delve into this topic a little bit so we can see why this is a problem and what we can do to help it.

Internet Explorer’s Usage Share

According to StatCounter estimates1, even with the recent mobile explosion, desktop usage still trumps mobile by a large margin. 90% of internet activity worldwide occurs on the desktop. Granted, some reports have mobile shares higher than the current 10% shown by StatCounter. Whatever the case is, the fact remains that a lot of people are accessing our websites and Web apps by using a desktop browser.

Which desktop browsers? Well, let’s look at StatCounter’s usage share for desktop browsers for May 20122, with a specific focus on Internet Explorer:

Stats for desktop browsers in May 20123

As shown above—to the joy of developers everywhere—worldwide stats for versions of Internet Explorer prior to IE8 are very low. IE6 is so low that it’s not even showing up in some of StatCounter’s charts anymore. If you find similar stats for your own projects, then, depending on the overall traffic numbers, you may be able to drop support for IE6 and IE7 and start using a number of features that those browsers don’t support. But what about IE8 and IE9?

As you can see from the image and link above, worldwide usage for IE8 and IE9 is just about 30%, combined. But that might not be the full story. Compare those numbers to the ones taken from two other websites.

First, Net Applications, from April of this year4:

Net Applications browser stats5

Their stats show a whopping 38% of users still on IE6-8, with more than two thirds of those on IE8. In addition, IE9 holds another 16% share. That’s more than 50% of users on IE6-9.

Now look at StatOwl’s April 2012 report6:

StatOwl browser stats7
Large preview8.

Like Net Applications, StatOwl places IE8’s and IE9’s shares significantly higher than StatCounter’s—this time about 20% for each. Combined with the 8% on IE6 and IE7, that’s almost 50% on IE.

The debate about why these different browser usage stats are showing higher numbers for IE6-9 is something that’s been in industry news of late. These details are certainly beyond the scope of this article, but you can check out the links below for more info:

Why Does This Discussion Include IE9?

IE9 is a huge step forward from previous versions of Internet Explorer. But it’s over a year old, and does not auto-update like other popular browsers do.

Thus, although IE9 is a much more stable and feature-rich browser, it’s already starting to show its age. With each passing month, browsers like Chrome and Firefox continue to roll out new features automatically, and IE9 gets closer to becoming obsolete.

Why Is The Old Browser Problem Such A Big Deal?

Some people might be thinking “What’s the big deal? Use progressive enhancement and you’ll just give old browsers a lesser experience and the users won’t know what they’re missing12”. This might be true with certain CSS3 and HTML5 features for which it’s easy to provide fallbacks and even some lightweight polyfills. But other more complex features are not that simple.

Let’s first take a look at IE8. To give you an idea of how many features IE8 lacks, here’s a list of what you gain as a developer when you stop supporting IE8:

  • Media Queries
  • opacity (without IE filters)
  • border-radius
  • box-shadow
  • RGBA, HSL/HSLA colors
  • HTML5 elements (that don’t need the html5shiv)
  • Data URLs
  • getElementsByClassName
  • CSS Transforms
  • <canvas>
  • Cross­origin Resource Sharing
  • Lots of CSS3 selectors (:nth-child(), :target, :enabled, etc)
  • matchesSelector
  • Navigation Timing API (performance.timing)
  • Multiple backgrounds
  • background-clip, background-origin, background-size
  • Real HTML5 Video/Audio with no messy fallbacks
  • WOFF Fonts
  • SVG images, inline SVG, SVG in CSS backgrounds
  • Geolocation
  • Server ­Sent Events

Also, this list doesn’t take into consideration the number of bugs and performance problems that occur in IE8. So when you consider all of the features above, along with bugs and performance issues, a high number of users still on IE8 becomes a major roadblock to progress on the Web.

Of course, this is not to say that support for these features is perfect in new browsers. Many of these features are still in flux in the spec. But a very high percentage of in-use browsers outside of IE8 have pretty good support for everything listed above.

What About IE9?

The problem, however, doesn’t end with IE8. As mentioned, IE9 is likewise starting to fall behind the other browsers. Here’s a list of the features you gain if you don’t have to support IE9:

  • text-shadow
  • Linear and Radial Gradients
  • CSS Transitions
  • Keyframe Animations
  • Web Sockets
  • 3D Transforms
  • flexbox layout
  • Multiple Columns
  • The <datalist> element
  • SVG Filters
  • Application Cache
  • pushState, replaceState
  • indexedDB
  • ECMAScript 5 Strict Mode
  • FileReader API
  • requestAnimationFrame
  • The async attribute for <script> elements
  • Many HTML5 form features
  • Native form validation
  • The <progress> element
  • Web Workers
  • XMLHttpRequestLevel 2
  • Typed Arrays
  • matchMedia
  • Blob URLs

As you can see from the two lists above, the old browser problem is a significant one. These new features (although still in progress) have the potential to help designers and developers innovate and push the Web forward in amazing ways.

Is IE[x] The New IE6?

The notion that “IE[x] is the new IE6″ has been discussed13 before14, but it deserves more attention here. As of writing this, IE9 (the latest stable version of Internet Explorer), cannot be installed on Windows XP15 and, according to StatCounter16, about 31% of desktop internet usage is on that operating system.

Since a large number of IE8 users are essentially “trapped” in XP, there is no hope that those users are going to upgrade to a newer version of Internet Explorer unless they upgrade their OS.

For your own projects, I hope the stats for older browsers are much better. After all, the only stats that really matter are your own17. Also, the worldwide stats showing high numbers for IE6-8 are probably a little skewed by some densely populated geographic areas18. Nonetheless, usage stats for IE6-9 are still a factor for many projects and may thus be holding back a lot of developers (due to client or corporate pressure) from using many new features.

The point here is that if the usage stats for browsers like IE8 and IE9 linger for anywhere nearly as long as IE6 did, then those of us who are building websites and Web apps for a larger and more diverse audience could be in for a long wait (before using dozens of new features).

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Usage stats for IE6–9 are still a factor for many projects and may thus be holding back a lot of developers.

Microsoft Provides A Glimmer Of Hope—Or Do They?

One positive development in this area is the recent announcement by Microsoft19 that XP, Vista, and Windows 7 users will be automatically upgraded to the latest version of Internet Explorer available for their operating system.

Unfortunately, while this news is better than nothing, it is not the ideal solution. A similar announcement20 was made back in 2008 regarding a so-called “auto-update” from IE6 to IE7. That 2008 update would only take place if a system was set to auto-approve Update Rollup packages. But a default setting in XP prevents this from happening—so this barely made a ripple in the IE6 problem at that time (as seen from the fact that IE6 usage was at 23% in January of 2009)21.

Similarly, this time around, users will be upgraded to a newer version of Internet Explorer only if they have turned on automatic updating via Windows Update. Also, the auto-update began in January and only for users in certain geographic regions. So again, although this is certainly good news, it’s not the ideal solution.

What Real Options Are There For Users Of Older Browsers?

Aside from people that are on systems that, for security or compatibility reasons, cannot upgrade their browsers, everyone that is using IE8 (or lower) has one of two options to help alleviate this problem—even if they’re on Windows XP. They are:

  • Don’t use Internet Explorer22; unlike IE9, all the latest versions of the other major browsers (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and Opera) will run on Windows XP or later.
  • Install Chrome Frame23; it’s easy to install and it makes IE function like Google Chrome.

With those two options there is no excuse for the high numbers of users still on older versions of Internet Explorer. Theoretically, everyone who is not on a locked-down system can upgrade to a non-IE browser or install Chrome Frame. This would likely bring the usage shares for older browsers down to a bare minimum, and would allow developers to bring even more of the latest technologies into common use.

A Note on Tracking IE with Chrome Frame

Some of the users still on old versions of Internet Explorer could have Chrome Frame installed, but in the browser usage stats referred to earlier in this post, those are still counted as Internet Explorer. It would be good to see Chrome Frame stats reflected in those applications.

Google Analytics, however, does include “IE with Chrome Frame” as a separate browser, and developers can check out the Chrome Frame developer documentation24 for info on how to detect Chrome Frame usage.

What Else Can We Do To Help?

If you have any friends or colleagues using an older version of Internet Explorer (or any old browser), help them upgrade to the latest version of Chrome, Firefox, Safari, or Opera. You might even want to show them a CSS3-rich or HTML5-rich website in a modern browser and compare it to IE8.

In other words, prove to them that their browser is an out-of-date, unstable, slow piece of software. You might even have a little fun25 trying to show them why non-IE browsers are better.

Display a Message to Users on Old Browsers

Another thing you can do is display a message to users if they’re visiting your website in an older browser like IE8. Don’t assume this is too intrusive. A couple of years ago, YouTube started phasing out support for many older browsers26. The message shown below is now displayed to users visiting the website with IE6:

YouTube's message for IE6 users

You could display a subtle yet noticeable message to encourage users to install Chrome Frame27 and make sure to include the necessary code28 that will enable Chrome Frame on pages that are being viewed with it. [However, also provide an option to close the message bar so that users who are stuck in a locked-down system (and have to use your website) can actually use it. —Editorial]

Tomorrow: A Message For Non-Developers

Most people reading this article are probably thinking “Yeah, that’s all fine and good, but you’re preaching to the choir, dude.” Many developers already know a lot of this stuff. And we also know that developers and designers are not the ones using older browsers like IE8 for everyday browsing. In fact, you’d be hard-pressed to find a Web developer that uses IE9.

That’s why tomorrow Smashing Magazine will be publishing a special post (the article is published now29) that will be targeted towards users who are not designers or developers, and who are not very tech savvy. We encourage everyone to share that article with as many people as possible so we can do everything we can to get the usage stats for old browsers as low as possible.

(jvb)

Footnotes

  1. 1 http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_vs_desktop-ww-monthly-201204-201204-bar
  2. 2 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201205-201205-bar
  3. 3 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-201205-201205-bar
  4. 4 http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=M
  5. 5 http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=M
  6. 6 http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version.php?1=1&timeframe=last_6&interval=month&chart_id=4&fltr_br=&fltr_os=&fltr_se=&fltr_cn=&limit%5B%5D=ie&limit%5B%5D=firefox&limit%5B%5D=safari&limit%5B%5D=chrome&limit%5B%5D=opera&limit%5B%5D=netscape&timeframe=last_month
  7. 7 http://www.smashingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ie-large-view.png
  8. 8 http://www.smashingmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ie-large-view.png
  9. 9 http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2012/03/18/understanding-browser-usage-share-data.aspx
  10. 10 http://blogs.computerworld.com/19925/microsoft_says_chrome_didnt_top_internet_explorer_last_weekend
  11. 11 http://blogs.computerworld.com/19927/statcounter_to_microsoft_youre_wrong_chrome_beat_internet_explorer_last_weekend
  12. 12 http://24ways.org/2009/ignorance-is-bliss
  13. 13 http://infrequently.org/2010/10/ie-8-is-the-new-ie-6/
  14. 14 http://paulirish.com/2011/browser-market-pollution-iex-is-the-new-ie6/
  15. 15 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie9-windows_other/ie9-for-xp-why-doesnt-internet-explorer-9-work-on/e8113f20-b149-4763-b4d4-562d1da524b6
  16. 16 http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201205-201205-bar
  17. 17 http://css-tricks.com/the-stats-that-matter-your-sites-stats/
  18. 18 http://gs.statcounter.com/?PHPSESSID=40nvmolpmg8d460oc4mf66c5g0#browser_version-CN-monthly-201205-201205-bar
  19. 19 http://windowsteamblog.com/ie/b/ie/archive/2011/12/15/ie-to-start-automatic-upgrades-across-windows-xp-windows-vista-and-windows-7.aspx
  20. 20 http://www.infoworld.com/t/applications/microsoft-warns-businesses-impending-autoupdate-ie7-628
  21. 21 http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-ww-monthly-200901-200901-bar
  22. 22 http://browsingbetter.com/
  23. 23 https://developers.google.com/chrome/chrome-frame/
  24. 24 http://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/chrome-frame-getting-started/chrome-frame-faq#TOC-For-Developers
  25. 25 http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2011/05/how-do-you-convince-the-average-web-user-to-switch-to-a-non-ie-browser/
  26. 26 http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=175292
  27. 27 http://www.google.com/chromeframe
  28. 28 http://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/chrome-frame-getting-started#TOC-Making-Your-Pages-Work-With-Google-Chrome-Frame
  29. 29 http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2012/07/10/dear-web-user-please-upgrade-your-browser/

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Louis Lazaris is a freelance web developer and author based in Toronto, Canada. He blogs about front-end code on Impressive Webs and curates Web Tools Weekly, a weekly newsletter for front-end developers.

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  1. 1

    I’m hoping with Microsoft’s $39.99 Win 8 OS update, we will see a good hit to the old IE browser numbers

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    André Bernardes

    July 10, 2012 9:24 pm

    I think the title of this post can also be read as “Microsoft is holding back the web”. And it would be correct.

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  3. 103

    This article should have been called “IE is holding back the Web”

    Most developers I speak with say the same thing I do: we spend most of our time debugging and adjusting for IE only. Most of my initial development work looks good in all browsers but IE.

    “Net Applications lists IE6 at 7%.” — I don’t see when looking at the internal stats of the clients I have been building for. I work for a somewhat known web design/marketing shop in NYC and we have some pretty big clients. Most of the IE6 stats I see are between .5% and 3%.

    Luckily, as of January of this year (2012), our company has finally discounted IE6. But remember, IE7 is the new IE6.

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  4. 154

    This article should have been called “IE is holding back the Web”

    Most developers I speak with say the same thing I do: we spend most of our time debugging and adjusting for IE only. Most of my initial development work looks good in all browsers but IE.

    “Net Applications lists IE6 at 7%.” — I don’t see when looking at the internal stats of the clients I have been building for. I work for a somewhat known web design/marketing shop in NYC and we have some pretty big clients. Most of the IE6 stats I see are between .5% and 3%.

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  5. 205

    I feel that as designer and developers we should just focus on making sure our designs work for the most current browsers. I understand the need for us to create site that are viewable on most of the browsers that a visitor may view the site with. However, let’s be honest every browser that we are making our designs specifically work for at Microsoft products. So a Hybrid approach would be just to support only the newest version of IE and inform every visitor not using the latest IE to change browsers or upgrade.

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    • 256

      Agreed. Modern web designers and web developers should focus on the best user experience for those with modern browsers, but this article is also making some sweeping generalizations about IE6 – IE9 as there is a hugh amount of difference between those. Some users are always going to use IE no matter what, and we can’t just wish that away. I’m not an IE fan by any means but IE9 is a big leap forward at least and still has more than triple the amount of users than Safari. By writing the most up to date code, we as developers encourage browser manufacturers to keep in pace with modern HTML5 and CSS3 code.

      Raj
      purewebmedia.biz

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    • 307

      Doesn’t work..
      If you’re making a silly blog or something, it’s up to you.
      But I believe most serious coders are employed, and dropping older browsers is not an option. The main company I work for is still on IE7. Rumors of an upgrade have been looming for years. I see some clients on IE6. Some rare exceptions use pads or their phone… But, in the end, users and clients don’t care about versions. It’s most likely that most of them have no clue what version they are running (Try a “blind” test: ask anyone who isn’t a nerd. They’ll go something like this: “Err, I dunno, this one.”.
      And that’s ok. It’s not the user who has to adapt; it’s the program.

      In the end, it just HAS to work, for everyone. There are NO VALID EXCUSES. You can write “best viewed in IE8″ if you want, but I estimate most people have no idea if the have IE8 or 9 or whatever.

      They live in a world where there is:
      INTERNET
      and PAGES THAT WORK
      or PAGES THAT DON’T WORK.

      That is the reality of the average user. And that’s all he needs to know. All he cares to know. Expecting more is expecting too much.

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  6. 358

    Valid points, and I am always frustrated by being held back and dislike like the lack of finesse with hacks etc. However I wonder that perhaps we are like kids in the sweet shop, dazzled by all that glitters. Perhaps we need to step back and ask what are websites actually trying do, what are the motivations and drives. Websites are not the end game but merely a means of communication to deliver information. To this end I am increasingly coming round to the less is more, function over form, cut to the chase, just stick to the where, why, what, when and how, delivery it as succinctly and easily as possible, in a clean manner and strip away the candy.

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  7. 409

    Some of the commenters above are suggesting that these new technologies are merely “toys”, and that we should stop whining about not being able to use them effectively, because end-users don’t care.

    I couldn’t disagree more. They are not toys. These technologies allow for better designed websites that are faster. They allow for manageable responsive websites. Better accessibility. The functional and economic advantage of being able to use these technologies is VERY REAL, and the economic disadvantage of spending time on fixes for older browsers is also VERY REAL.

    I don’t think there’s a quick fix to the problem, but I pledge to at least take the problem seriously.

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  8. 460

    “here’s a list of what you gain as a developer when you stop supporting IE8:”
    IE8 does support data URLs and CORS via XDomainRequest, which is incorrectly listed in this list. And BTW, some decade-old features IE8 don’t support are XHTML and DOM Level 2.

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  9. 511

    Adam Lusted (etoxin)

    July 12, 2012 10:07 am

    Eventually users on older browsers will upgrade because they won’t have access to sites they use day to day. As web developers we should abandon graceful degradation and start building block/upgrade pages like the you tube example in the article.

    It would be nice to have a ‘Browser Usage API’ with browser usage stat’s that you can setup to dynamically block users on browsers with less that 5-10% usage share worldwide/or by country.

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  10. 562

    Microsoft has never cared about being compliant or even keeping up with competitors. They’ve been doing their own thing since they cornered the desktop market. Unfortunately, they still have too much market share. And their arrogance is still evident in current products.

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  11. 613

    1.53% uses IE7? I have a hunch that 1% of these are web developers who are working hard testing their site for the 0.53% :)

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  12. 664

    Some of the big companies should just stop support for old Browsers. facebook, youtube…..

    http://price-specifications.com/

    -2
  13. 715

    Current user browser stats are good. But are there also stats around showing percentages of actual HTML5 development being made and/or really is needed at the time? Would be interesting, for sure.

    Some of the comments here say that big companies should stop supporting old browsers. Bad idea, though. They don’t run their web sites for the web devs in the world, but for their big business. Youtube want their videos running and being linked to from all over the place. They do that with HTTP, HTMLx, Flash and web APIs. And the specs for HTML5 is getting so advanced that it’s soon like the specs of a computer. Well run organisations won’t make their business depending on those spec details. They will keep building with the big blocks. And they will do that with the market/users first in mind. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t care about HTML5, just saying that it’s not important enough for most companies since it has very little impact on their economy and business idea.

    So don’t blame the companies (big or small). Instead, as the article suggests, help people around you appreciate new browsers.

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  14. 766

    Please update the last paragraph in your article with a link, so we can take up your call to action.

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  15. 817

    Older browsers may be holding back the web, but not necessarily because people don’t want to upgrade. For many millions of users, they cannot upgrade to a newer browser, either because their IT department at work won’t let them, and won’t do it themselves, or because they would have to buy an all-new computer to get a newer browser installed.

    Take the case of Mac OS X, for example: If you have a PowerPC Mac running Mac OS X 10.5 or below, the only way for you to get a newer browser is to buy an Intel-based Mac. But since HTML5 browser features are not platform-specific, you shouldn’t have to do this at all. Browser vendors could (and should) be upgrading their browsers so they work on both architectures, and multiple versions of the OS; users should not have to spend money just to keep up-to-date in the browser game.

    Until browser vendors learn to support their products across all versions of their OS, this problem will continue. It’s not the user’s fault; it’s the vendors’.

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  16. 868

    Oh and one last comment, I just received a Email about Alan Kay, If you have no clue who he is, shame on you. Anyhoot even he said that internet browsing is a mess. that HTML was over complicated and it needs an upgrade. And people who say its the devs fault code doesnt work on older browsers, shame on you.
    Its the idiots that walk in to a computer store, not knowing anything, not ever learning anything, and not caring about anything but getting a cheap computer. You want cheap low cost devices that do nothing and use the stock browser that comes stock. go for it, And when WebGL is the norm, they’ll still be stuck in html 1. And we’ll all be playing Duke Nuk’em 5000 in firefox in 3D.

    -1
  17. 919

    Ok, as a web developer, and as the developer of a web game I am currently working on, I stopped supporting IE.

    I can hear the screams now, “IT’S Internet Explorer!!, everyone uses it!!!”.

    But what this report doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that most users of Facebook, that play games, have already moved on from Internet Explorer. to either Chrome or Firefox.

    And the money to be made on a Facebook games far out weights me supporting the few who have no clue how to get a better browser.

    If those that are too lazy or stupid to update to a better browser, wanna remain back in the early 90’s with their antiquated browsers. so be it.
    I will not slow my game down any farther than I already have, to support the people that haven’t figured out that IE just plain sucks.
    Using HTML5/Javascript to make a game is already hard enough, and you have to squeeze every ounce of code outta it to get a good game going, without worrying about backwards compatibility with a sorry a**ed Browser like IE.

    Only reason people use this crap is because it comes with Windows.
    And the only thing that has allowed IE to remain is Flash, and the fact its installed on most home computers, but most developers are moving away from flash, because HTML5 also works on Ipads and Iphones, flash doesnt, unless you use Air, and Air is not good for Facebook games.

    So, those still using IE for entertainment or for playing online games, get ready, HTML5 is around the corner, and the bus is pulling out. Better get your Firefox ticket punched or you’re gonna miss the ride.

    Happy Motoring(surfin) meep meep!

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  18. 970

    We work with several large corporates who are still using XP, Office 2003 and IE6. Like it or not we have to support IE6 for these people and I don’t see it changing any time soon. If only……

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  19. 1021

    Agree with all article, (Internet Explorer is a nightmare) but I leave you this link:

    “This site has features your browser may not support.
    Please try Google Chrome” (with a link!)

    Can you imagine that?

    http://www.exquisiteforest.com/

    One step forward two steps back?

    Mis saludos desde Buenos Aires
    @3wdtwiter

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  20. 1072

    Catherine Khetagurova

    July 24, 2012 5:30 pm

    But let’s take their cars into the pit and will ride on carts.
    On what basis should developers wasting time, effort and money to support the browser that will never work properly.
    And why should we spoil our code support for Internet Explorer?
    Microsoft never did and never will do anything for your convenience.
    And if someone likes to ride on a carriage on the highway with an opportunity to get FREE sports car, let them ride.

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  21. 1123

    I’ve been browsing thru most of the thread here. I am not an expert developer by any means, but I do work for the government. Our systems are locked down from adding software and browsers of our choosing for a reason — it can cause expensive problems. It has nothing to do with how old you are as someone said! When something happens that applies to something being loaded that was neither tested nor approved, are you going to come out to fix our network for free? Get rid of viruses, etc? Yes, government is slow in implementing and keeping up with new technology. And I see most of your points where using old browsers muzzles a lot of you. We have to consider our users and clients. It’s a cascading effect.

    It erks me to no end when I have a piece of software for example that isn’t supported becuz a new version has come out 6 mos later. Support old browsers and work together to educate corporate entities. Please don’t just shut us down and say ‘oh well.’ The corporate policy established is the policy established.

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  22. 1174

    Have you ever talked to someone who smells so bad that you think, “they must know they stink, why don’t they take a shower?”

    this is the case with Microsoft’s IE browsers. It’s not like the dev community hasn’t been alerting MS of the fact that there browser are up to par. So Microsoft knows their browser are crap.

    which seems ridiculous with such a sizable market share.

    let’s all grab our laptops and tents and start an occupy movement on the Remond, WA campus until they build a proper browser. (jk).

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  23. 1225

    The worst thing is we’re not going to get rid of the IE8 so easily.
    A lot of people is still using Windows XP and thanks to the brilliant minds in MS they cannot upgrade to IE9.

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  24. 1276

    And what if the only people using ie6 are web developers. Wouldn’t that be funny?

    I’ve heard of the occasional misguided attempt at security by locking onto a browser version. But IE constantly patches security holes, so how is refusing to update adding security? I put in basic support, but I’m not going to agonize over pixel-perfect support for ie6. Waste of time and resources.

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  25. 1327

    Good overview of the problem that is there with older browsers or the New IE :p
    I also like how you even went ahead and provided solutions for the problem.
    I read a similar solution where the guys asked webmasters to follow a “Switch to a new browser day” when all the websites including famous ones like Google, Youtube, Facebook and Twitter can show a message just like youtube did to people with older browsers to switch to a new one. Here is the link to that idea: beaconwatch.com/post.php?id=18

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  27. 1429

    hi there i use a browser called puffin browser

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    And why not simply design HTML webpages? I have a lot of pages made on an HTML4 basis, with no or few javascript and they run on ALL browsers, from IE4 to Chrome or Safari or any sort of tablet and phone browsers.

    Internet is intended to work to as much people possible. Ah, and do not forget people with any sort of disability. Have you ever tried to access to any fancy-modern-coloured webpage with a navigator for blind people? I did.

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    i am a web developer with a complex problem. i have written a browser called NeuViewer a free download is available at the bottom of the main page at http://www.puredale.com
    my dilemma is i used Visual Studio 2010 Visual Basic.Net project which uses a fixed embedded ie7 webbrowser object. i thought it would pick up whatever ie versioned browser was installed on the target pc but no it compiles in what came with the studio only as far as i can tell. i have looked to see how to swap the engine for a third party object like firefox or chrome engine. getting sufficient info has been difficult so far.
    i would prefer a newer browser object from microsoft if they offered one but have not seen any. i trialed vs 2013 and the webbrowser object was not any newer. i know because when i go to my bank site it is still complaining i have less than ie8.
    any hope here ? its a nice browser i think but im powerless to make it work well now
    because the engine is stuck at ie7. and a c++ project or other will not help me well.
    im not rewriting my code too much work. i need something for visual basic 2010.
    i do find firefox works very well and if i could just add an object simply and easily to the studio, drag and drop in the new window after removing my ie object that would be simple enough. right now any browser object newer would be better. any help you can provide. if this is not your expertise please point me in a better direction than i have been trying as ive had little luck so far. thank you.

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